DNP:Fiona:Racist and abusive Keep it up
Submitted by Ernest William ... on February 28, 2009 - 6:44pm.
Eliot Ramsey: "In every Muslim country surveyed, overwhelming or near unanimous majorities expressed negative views toward Jews. The figure reached 99 percent in Jordan, 98 percent in Egypt and 94 percent in Pakistan. Twenty-eight percent of Jordanians and 22 percent of Egyptians volunteered that "Jews" were to blame for bad relations between Muslims and the West, although Jews were not mentioned in the question."
The survey, according to you, was done on the population of those countries. What makes you think that they are all Muslims?
And in any case - how surprising. Why would the Jews be unpopular in the Middle East when they have considered themselves as different since the beginning of their religion - or is that a race?For some unknown reason to me, new Israel classifies itself as "western" and is so considered by the Arab nations of the middle east.Bearing in mind that the history of the nomadic tribes of the Arabian Desert who evolved into the Jews of today, I find that fascinating.The east is east and the west is west and never the twain shall meet.Just one more point Eliot, if I was Jewish I would never want you to defend me.NE OUBLIE.
DNP is their code for 'Do no publish.' That censoring from Reynolds comes on top of this sort of s**t editorialising from Tonkin:
Fair dinkum Alan. in Gaza Media Statement
by Ernest William ... on February 26, 2009 - 9:52pm
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Richard: Ernest, your work that hasn't been published has been considered by editors to be racist, abusive, or containing-despite requests- unsourced extracts. Implications that anything more sinister is afoot do little for your perceived credibility.
Ethics? What ethics? Credibility? Whose credibility?
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Phil, to visit the old WD and see what it's become is depressing.
ReplyDeleteWhy Ernest and Marylin and a few others bother is beyond my comprehension. The Ramsey/Curran/Pahoff clique just stirs and the so-called moderators just expose their biases and poor judgment.
There are too many good blogs around for people to continue to waste their time trying to bring back what used to be.
WD's use-by date has long gone!
If WD was "Accountable" and "Transparent" then Fiona Reynolds would fully account for her judgement and explain exactly what is, in her view, deemed to be "racist" or "abusive" in what Ernest William said.
ReplyDeleteI see that he has said, by implication through his questions, that:
1) "Eliot Ramsey" has attempted to demonise Muslims.
Then, in statements, he essentially says:
2) He doesn't understand why Israel classifies itself as "Western," nor why the nations in its neighbourhood do so as well, when many of its people have origins that are not "Western."
3) He would never want "Eliot Ramsey" to speak in his defence if he (Ernest William) were a Jew.
I'm told that I'm a reasonable, intelligent person and I cannot see any "racist" or "abusive" content in that comment by Ernest William.
Can anyone else explain it? What could Fiona Reynolds have deemed "racist" and "abusive" in Ernest William's comment?
G'day David and Orana. I can't see what Fiona could have deemed "racist" or "offensive" in Ernest's post, but as we learned from her response to my question about apparent inconsistencies in the treatment some people as opposed to others, she might have reasons. The public are not to be told what these reasons are, if they exist. I raised the matter of inconsistencies again last night - this time on what constitutes "off-topic". Fiona had decreed that Ernest's comments about the ancient history of Palestine were off-topic in a thread about Gaza yet we have seen others raise Australian domestic politics and matters pertaining to Cambodia without editorial comment. As yet my post has not been published let alone an explanation provided. Another example of how WD is accountable. Or not.
ReplyDeleteRT writing about credibility is such a hoot.
Indeed, Graeme. I did notice that incredible application of (double) editorial standards this past week.
ReplyDeleteA person who will judge discussion of the history of relations between peoples in the Mid-East as "off-topic" in a conversation about the Israeli attacks on the people living in Gaza, and then also judge discussion of who did or didn't aid Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge as "on-topic" in that same conversation, is well described as an incredible judge.
And not just this past week, Orana. But it is has been a week marked by notable examples. To target Ern for posting racist comments given the history of Alan Curran's quite vile comments about Palestinians is grotesque. Given that some of Curran's comments have seemed to support the wiping out the Palestinians, the latitude he is given is odd, to say the least.
ReplyDeleteYes. Though it should be noted that "Alan Curran" is a pseudonym used by a racist man too timid to put legal name to his racist and abusive commments.
ReplyDeleteI've no issue with pseudonymity; it has its place and is not problematic per se. However, when used to enable lies and bigotry it certainly is problematic (for just about everyone other than the current un-ethical WD mgmt team).
In the end, David G is entirely correct.
ReplyDeleteIn the WD community of days now long gone there was more than one who'd now be putting the challenging questions to the cowardly "Alan Curran" about sacking workers to feather his own nest. Alas, in the waste of space WD of today, no-one even mentions that 'Akka' is a gutless, heartless, greedy sacker, who killed the jobs of Australians so that he could lazily waste his days submitting his racist views for publication by WD's unethical mgmt.
Already happened:
ReplyDeleteWeb Results 1 - 30 of 64 English and German pages from abc.net.au/unleashed for
"Eliot Ramsey". (0.39 secs)
More to the point here - and who gives a s**t about lying blog-trolls anyway, but what idiot would care if Pauline bloody Hanson stood for and won Prime Miniscule of Aus? Politics is nothing but an obscene game; with the thoroughly, purposefully and even partly self- dumbed-down electorate, outright traitors as candidates, all immersed in filthy propaganda, also spread via and with active cooperation/assistance from the publicly financed broadcasters? Bah! MK herself is an intimate part of the problems.
ReplyDelete3 in a row? ...
ReplyDelete.. ah well, why not ...
.. 'sheep as a lamb' (figure of speech!)
-=*=-
Title: grasping for relevance.
Q: Who, 'our' Pauline?
A: No, MK.
2 March 2009, 09:30
What does Pauline Hanson have to say?
«And politics is a very serious business right now. The fate of many lives is up for grabs as world economic and environmental forces merge to seriously challenge everyone's way of living.»
[AusBC/unleashed,Margo Kingston]
We-e-ll!
1. See any of my listings of the failings of our current democracies which include a) dumbed-down voters who basically only ever ask "What's in it for me?", b) traitor representatives who largely represent the sheople's enemies and c) all that immersed in a veritable swamp of lies and propaganda, then -
2. Even if someone wished to solve our 'world economic and environmental' problems, it would seriously seem like no-one knows how, and -
3. The crises have largely been purposely built (see my latest item.)
In a nutshell, politics as 'played' in Aus, US, UK and Israel (spit!) is totally unaffected by 'public opinion,' since that is manipulated, almost totally uninfluenced by politicians, since they only do what their own 'masters' allow/direct (what politicians contribute most is their general incompetence), and there is no 'different' solution possible anyway, since were on track (for disaster!) - as planned.
Now do you see what I mean about MK grasping for relevance?
Yes, IDH, I do see what you mean about MK's grasping for relevance.
ReplyDeleteMK's grasping for relevance by trying to start a conversation about another woman from QLD grasping for relevance! And I'd decided that other woman is so utterly irrelevant that I'd not even uttered her name.
ReplyDeletelook over there! ...
ReplyDelete.. a convenient distraction! ...
.. young schoolgirls play it, Q: Why can't MK?
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A: Because MK claims to be a so-called 'profi,' from her 'own' website: "Independent, Ethical, Accountable and Transparent" (and Milligan told us that one cannot argue with facts like that!)
Well, yes one can. The real facts are as in my headline article; Reynolds censored what looks like a totally inoffensive comment, and gave the lies "Racist and abusive" as her risible 'excuse.'
Normally, such lies, as the censored comment itself, would not appear, the comment would simply land in the bit-bucket. So much for "Ethical, Accountable and Transparent," leaving just "Independent."
It was once admitted (proof available) that MK was threatened. In another attempt at self-justification, Reynolds has claimed unspecified reasons which she refuses to divulge, i.e. that she knows some secret. (How does that I, E, A & T go again?)
Comment: Only criminal thugs threaten, and one goes to the cops - one doesn't just cowardly cave in.
That the censorship demonstrated is clearly to the benefit of a certain group/ideology and that that group/ideology clearly gets a better run than it deserves 'over there' accounts for their so-called "Independence" - actually, of course, their almost complete and utter lack thereof. Note that the management's behaviour is not merely web-whoring, but they give active support to a certain group/ideology that many consider not just wrong but Nuremberg-class criminal.
As well as grasping for relevance, MK could grasp for credibility - or at least remove her name from the gruesome parody which that site has long since become.
Even post Gaza, the world has a problem.
ReplyDeleteI have no doubt that the Zionists have no legal or moral right to the lands they have stolen from the Palestinians or to those that they will steal from if not stopped.
I believe that the situation can only be fairly resolved by the government of the so-called state of Israel being handed over to the Palestinian authority and returned to the peaceful co-existence that previously existed.
The Zionists would not allow a democratic vote and even if one was orchestrated, US style, the gun at the head of the voters would ensure a Zionist victory.
So, voting is out of the question.
The only resolution that I believe the Zionists want is total capitulation by the owners of those lands and peace on their terms. Remember Hitler's methods?
I have repeatedly asked why Jews are generally disliked all over the world, and been ignored or censored.
When that happens, one must reach one's own conclusions and these are mine.
The teachings of the Zionists are brutal in the extreme to anyone of any other race or religion. Their belief in their right to rule is ingrained to a point where they can accept nothing less. Commonly called control freaks, people cannot be expected to ignore that the ordinary working Zionist Jew is almost impossible to find.
Why - we can't ask why because it is still taboo - why?
It is apparent that the ancient stories of Midas and Shylock must have had a strong influence on the "gentiles". Where there is wealth - where there is financial power - where there is big business CEO's - there are certainly Zionist Jews.
Why are the Jewish people picked on? Is it because they have the wealth of the nations under their control? Why do some South American governments jail people who criticise the holocaust? Why does Webdiary disallow it? Where does this power come from and why?
The world has to realise that it is obvious - if they are given an inch they will take a mile.
Let's hope that the Palestinians are not going to be the scapegoats for the western countries who do not want Jews living there. Just a dumping ground with sufficient military might to invade, bomb or shell any nation in the immediate vicinity.
Do I personally hate Jews? No I don't but, perhaps I would like them more if they were not under the extreme cult called Zionism.
King David made an error when he captured Jebus and conciliated with the cult from Mount Zion. But that is history.
NE OUBLIE.
G'day Ernest W,
ReplyDeletenice to 'see' you, and welcome.
And it's G'day Erm from me.
ReplyDeleteIt is not the Holocaust that is to be questioned but rather the use that has been made of it. King Abdullah raised very pertinent points about the Palestinians suffering for European crimes and of Jewish rights to Palestine. On the latter, the O T is not necessarily accurate as to the historical record, some consider that the texts, written centuries after the events they "described", gilded the lily. A complex area of of investigation.
Apologies for the typo, Ern.
ReplyDeleteErn, congratulations. I've watched you struggling over at WD for some time and I've admired your determination in the face of great odds which not only included other 'commenters' but the 'management' as well.
ReplyDeleteOn Phil's blog you'll find things different. Very different.
Still learning.
ReplyDeleteThanks to all those who have welcomed me to this forum and for their understanding of my efforts.
I like the comfort I feel when contributing here and also when I submit to Your Democracy.
Is there any worry about duplication because both seem to be upholding the principles of freedom of speech?
G'day IDHolm,
ReplyDeleteWhile we all have to accept that in a "free speech" society, the media can virtually do as they like, nevertheless I have always believed that their power of uncontrolled persuasion either elects governments or has them dismissed.
A wise WD contributor once called voters "sheople"! Superb.
How very true. I give as examples the demise of Gough Whitlam by Sir Frank Packer and the re-election of the faulty Howard mob by Murdoch in 1998.
I have noted that when people are truly allowed to speak their minds, without biased censorship, a lot can be learned about what the public actually believes - not by what they are told to believe.
I wonder ID how many wars and consequential murders could have been avoided if the people who were expected to die, no matter what the outcome was, actually knew the true facts?
I know I am geting carried away, but the ancient vice of might is right is only an extension and a massive support for, extreme capitalism which will destroy us all.
There is always an alternative to suicide?
NE OUBLIE.
How powerful are the Zionists?
ReplyDeleteThe similarities between the beginning of the Third Reich and the Zionist' new Israel is astonishing.
Once the Nazis were powerful enough to vent their anger over the Versailles Treaty (substitute the holocaust) which they did. But they did it cunningly through Poland - "we have a right to defend ourselves". Remember?
As ID reminds us the principles (even if that is a nasty word to the Zionists) of both the Nazis and the Zionists resonate with the words of Goring: "Why, of course, the people don't want war... That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." Shades of Bush; Blair and Howard!
And just what is the spiel of the Zionists - "We have a right to defend ourselves" or as Gus Leonisky posted in Your Democracy as imagined from the Zionists Livni; Olmert and Barak the words: "Israel has the Reich to defend itself"!
Bob informs us that Freeman withdrew from being involved in the ridiculous 1,000th effort to bring peace to the Middle East with the Zionists the most powerful military power in the area and continuing to be the illegal and immoral murderers of an innocent and militarily childish people.
The more I learn the more disgusted I become with the "Israel lobby" and the US Administration.
Now that the Bush/Zionist coalition has made the free world a captive of their powers that be - we are entering into a tragedy of immense proportions - today in the Middle East - tomorrow? The US has 40.3% of the world Jewry while new Israel has 40.6%. Is this an indication of what they claim the Zionist God has commanded?
The world must realise that the Zionists already control America's major media and the T/V industry - so to overcome that the non-Jews would have to - what?
History repeats and repeats.
NE OUBLIE.
The truth and reality.
ReplyDeleteHis Majesty King Abdullah stated in 1947:
"I am especially delighted to address an American audience, for the tragic problem of Palestine will never be solved without American understanding, American sympathy, American support."
That is the truth.
Two days after the Zionists declared themselves to be the State of Israel - the Americans accepted them and from that time, have supplied them with the technology; training; weapons and even nuclear capability. To defend themselves?
That is the reality.
So, having already created two nuclear powered monsters in Afro-Asia namely Pakistan and India - whose religions caused their separation - the Americans now have placed a nuclear powered monster in the middle of the Middle East - new Israel!
To try to understand the US foreign policies one would have to start with the fact that they depend on war - somewhere - anywhere but, it must supply the Military/Corporate.
It is a statistical fact that they make a profit from them all - no matter who wins.
Is it reasonable then to conclude that their most militarily superior partner in new Israel will continue to produce instability but with profit?
History has told us that the Jewish race/religion is consumed with wealth and power - what better place than the greedy war-obligated military corporate of America?
In his farewell speech in 1961 President Eisenhower said this in part: "We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations."
"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society."
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military/industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
"We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defence with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."
Amen. This post has been cross-posted to http://yourdemocracy.net.au/ and http://webdiary.com.au/
NE OUBLIE.
a comment to goose[1] the system...
ReplyDelete[1] goose: (Slang) a sudden, playful prod in the backside. [spur into action]